Sunday, April 10, 2005


I dedicate this post to a good friend of mine called Michael, he is Greek, a right-wing social introvert and a living breathing genius at that, and one of the few acquaintances who bothers to read this blog. The funny thing about Michael is that he doesn't like talking face-to-face, most of the time he tells me to not disturb him with my idle chatter. Yet I insist on pestering him and now he stopped coming into uni cos of me. He often grimaces in despair at some remarks I make and shakes his head in embarrassment. But on MSN messenger, he is more than chatty! I had this MSN chat with him this morning (totally uncut!):

Michael says:

hey Freedom blogger, what's up?

Bahrania says:

nothing much

Michael says:

i'll tell you what

Michael says:

i'm afraid you are getting westernized

Michael says:

now you like Handel?

Bahrania says:


Michael says:

AND you read Dostoevsky

Michael says:

I think you're converting

Bahrania says:

converting to westernarity?

Michael says:


Bahrania says:

thats good isnt it... easternarity is mean to be backward and barbarian?

Michael says:

according to Shariah TV there is conflict between the west and islam

Bahrania says:

how can u have a conflict between a geographic entity and a religion

Bahrania says:

what is the 'west'?

Michael says:

well, broadly speaking European/north American styles of governments, capitalism, enlightment, renaissance, European values (and some will say the Christian faith)

Bahrania says:

hmmm what about the western value of eating fish with a fork?

Bahrania says:

that is civilized right?

Michael says:

look, personally, I don't think the west is more civilized, or that the rest of the world is more 'barbarian"

Bahrania says:

in the east we eat rice with a spoon?

Bahrania says:

i really think there is a clash here!!

Anyway the conversation degenerated incoherently from here on, i'll spare you the details.

MICHAEL U R A LEGEND. I will buy you an Egg Mayonnaise sandwich if you leave a comment on my blog!!

Posted by BB @ 4/10/2005 02:48:00 PM

Read or Post a Comment

What do we mean by civilisation? :)

Fact:Pigs eat all sort of rubbish!


Posted by Anonymous Anonymous @ 4/10/2005 05:30:00 PM #

anon i didnt quite get ur 'Fact' in this particular context. Who da pig? me, you, or michael?

Posted by Blogger Bahrania @ 4/10/2005 09:54:00 PM #

"What do we mean by civilisation?"..

An intersting question!! I am sure there are many people buzzing around this question, and no agreed distinction yet. Here are what I would usually hear from people defining civilisation:

Non-violence. Especially, not killing people.

Living in cities, as opposed to towns or tribes.

Avoiding the use of force unless in defense of the innocent.

A cultural abstraction with no moral, ethical, or logical force.

USA, Western Europe!! - Don't agree with this.

The steady progress of large numbers of humans from birth to death through a large mall lined with pizza restaurants, hamburger chains, TV sets, and all-you-can-eat salad bars. Not to mention StarBucks.

The realization that there is inherent value in helping other people.

Eating fish work fork.

Using Google to buy stuff - this is my definition of a civlised person :)

hmmm what else?

Posted by Blogger Bahraini by nature @ 4/11/2005 01:17:00 AM #

I am the pig! usually when i want to finish something that I like!

What I meant by my fact, is that what is considered civilised by some can be very uncivilized in another culture.

The western world is often termed as the "civilized" world , which would mean there would be a uncivilized out there.

So I was thinking it would be highly uncivilized to eat rubbish, yet there are many pork eaters in the western world!

I am sorry if my comment implied that you or Mr. Micheal were pigs!
If anyone is a pig its me, usually when i am hungry :)

I should add, if you were Miss Piggy (from the Muppets)! I am your number one fan!:) Shes cute!

Posted by Anonymous Anonymous @ 4/11/2005 07:31:00 AM #

ooh bahrania... u have ANOTHER fan..hmm ;)

Posted by Anonymous smart lil al @ 4/11/2005 10:39:00 AM #

yyyaaaaaay kermit the frog has found my blog!!

Posted by Blogger Bahrania @ 4/11/2005 03:43:00 PM #

frog! hehe

just because i am not hunky

*crocodile tears*


Posted by Anonymous Anonymous @ 4/11/2005 05:07:00 PM #

if u say so..but then again u think that Ms Piggy is cute... !

Posted by Blogger Bahrania @ 4/11/2005 09:35:00 PM #


Posted by Anonymous Anonymous @ 4/11/2005 10:55:00 PM #

I'm leaving this comment to caution everybody using msn: you never know where your msn chat might end up!
I'll have my Egg Mayonnaise sandwich now...

Posted by Anonymous Michael @ 4/12/2005 01:54:00 AM #

hey michael...u deserve an egg mayo sandwich... i would never have known about the wonders of the Abacus (even if it wasn't invented by arabs), Factiva, or the Queen's algorithm for seating arrangements in Buckingham palace, the benefits of headstands,the importance of ducks in photographs, Yahoo Chess and that i talk too much!

In return, i still fail to understand why you read and would advice u inject a bit of emotion to your pure rational approach. Where is the greek vivacity we all know and love.

Posted by Blogger Bahrania @ 4/12/2005 02:22:00 PM #
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