Saturday, April 16, 2005

What would Jesus do? Part II

I've been sitting on this for a few days now, and i'm not to sure what Jesus would do on this one.

Imagine this scenario, you accidently come across a piece of information that could 'potentially topple' a high-ranking public official - destiny has led you to discover a deep dark secret. In a democratic context this could lead to something of Watergate proportions; the resignation of a discredited humiliated MP/minister/officer, a public enquiry, and even changes in the law. What do you do?

(1) do you leak this information to the press, hope that (alsul6a alrab3a- the fourth authority) makes such a media frenzy that the government, MPs and opposing political factions have no choice but to pressurise this person to leave office for everyone's sake.

(2) do you approach the official concerned, blackmail him for the greater good of society and hope he changes his corrupt ways by forcing him to use his powers in office to make real change, in return for you're silence.

(3)do u just pretend you know nothing and turn a blind eye. In our culture, such a scandal would seem disrespectful to an older person, you fear future repurcussions against you.

(4) do you hide you're tracks, pass the information onto someone else who would then have to make decision (1)-(3) and may decide to use it to further their own political agenda?

Just in case you're wondering whether this is a true situation, well, yes and no. No, I don't think in the Middle-East context this would be a scandal, in fact, a major-coverup situation would probably ensue, and as the source of information, you'd probably be hassled for the rest of your life for revealing the truth and exposing a fallacy. Yet would u wish to see the public downfall and humiliation of someone you know, and bear the responsibility of exposing them? What is worse, living with a secret or with the burden of exposing it?

Posted by BB @ 4/16/2005 06:11:00 PM

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Hi!

I personally think that living with a secret that you may feel or know can change lives and you just not do anything is such a burden by itself!

Oh yeah! I also think Jesus is amongst us in the form of Marilyn Manson :)


Keep up your interesting updates/observations in yo blog!

Posted by Blogger Angelo Embuldeniya (Strav) @ 4/17/2005 01:19:00 AM #
 

Hmm tough one... Jesus would probably the person privately and give him a chance to explain himself, or repent and change his ways. If that doesn't happen, then Jesus might pass the word on to other reponsible individuals who may have the ability to bring change... maybe a representative from Transparency International.

A blogger however would blog about it! :)

Posted by Blogger Chanad @ 4/17/2005 02:10:00 AM #
 

You just have to look under the carpet to know the level of corruption around. Maybe its not a secret afterall!

See no evil, hear no evil and speak no evil are the three commandments followed in Bahrain! :)

Boy next door :)

Posted by Anonymous Anonymous @ 4/17/2005 05:03:00 PM #
 

Guys,

I'm talking about hard evidence that someone has lied.

What ya say, we try to bring him down like the US bloggers brought down the CNN executive? Chan'ad you up for it??

Personally I don't have the guts!!!

Posted by Blogger Bahrania @ 4/17/2005 06:08:00 PM #
 

You just posted a blog writing that you came across a piece of information that could 'potentially topple' a high-ranking public official. What would happen is that when the intelligence department finds about this blog, they will dig the entire earth to find who you are, catch you and then questioning you. You wouldn’t need to worry about your four options :)

What you should really ask is what Jesus would do to get you out of the mess now!

Well, the best option I see is you consult someone you trust and have an experience.

Posted by Blogger Bahraini by nature @ 4/17/2005 07:18:00 PM #
 

Thanks for that tip BBN,

I'm seriously thinking of deleting this thread all-together! I don't want to be bungled into a suitcase and thrown into the trunk of a car to an unknown destination.

Posted by Blogger Bahrania @ 4/17/2005 07:59:00 PM #
 

I think they already know about this blog eversince the past 4 months and yes they might even be knowing who you are and what you do for a living - c'mon it's Bahrain - its a free country filled with interesting bugs and juicy flowers.


But the point is to put up a disclaimer on this blog if you decide to continue posting about your 'discovery/expose'.

How much good will that do - I really don't know, however, the disclaimer up on my blog has probably saved me from falling into hot water - many a time. And i still get to keep my dignity by blogging freely, exercise my right to free speech - all under their patronage - which makes me as a student, proud to study in Bahrain during these times of ecconomic reforms :-D

Posted by Blogger Angelo Embuldeniya (Strav) @ 4/18/2005 05:00:00 AM #
 

And what lawyer told you that, Strav?

Your disclaimer is only as good as far as it will be respected by those that read it.

You can't absolve yourself of any responsibility just by saying you're not responsible. The reason none of us have been hauled in is because the determination to preserve free speech is real.

And Bahrania, if it is important enough an issue, I am sure you will find an appropriate forum with an appropriate coalition to bring the matter to a resolution.

The story of Watergate was more complicated than most spy novels. The cover-up was significant, not to mention how none of it would have happened were it not for the cooperation of many invloved who leaked information to Woodward and Bernstein, the reporters from the Washington Post. Not to mention the hitherto unknown secret informer "Deep Throat". Also the pressure came through the public press who eventually got the Senate to conduct its own investigation.

Bloggers getting Eason Jordan fired at CNN was an anomaly. It's not a fair comparison. One is media corporation responding to market pressures, the other was a concerted effort by the press and the legislature making an honest effort at correcting an injustice.

Unless the information is damning enough for parliament to conduct a competent investigation of said official, or the Royal Court issues a decree of dismissal in the manner of Abdallah of Jordan did some weeks back. Frankly, I don't have that much confidence in parliament. Also, if the individual is as high up as you indicate he is, then his hold on his position probably isn't dependent of the opinion of the people.

I'm not saying that what you choose to do is insignificant. Quite the opposite actually. If whatever you have come across is important to enough people, then those that this affects ought to be involved.

Just my two cents.

Oh, and btw, they're still arguing over what it was that Jesus did to piss the Romans and Jews enough to collaborate toward his execution.

Posted by Blogger Desert Island Boy @ 4/18/2005 05:36:00 AM #
 

Bahrania.. if you asked your Mum..what would she tell you do..thats what you should do! :)

Regards
Kermit (the frog?)

Posted by Anonymous Anonymous @ 4/18/2005 10:39:00 PM #
 

Cut the crap, Miss!

We know EXACTLY who you are and were you are. Everything is logged and blogged! Do these numbers ring a bell: 13, 45, 45!

Posted by Anonymous Anonymous @ 4/19/2005 08:32:00 AM #
 

Tell me. I will tell the whole world about it - and attach my name to it :)

Posted by Blogger Evil Odd @ 4/19/2005 09:51:00 AM #
 

When I came across this information, I envisioned frontpage news headlines, feared potential heart attacks, family conflicts, u name it....

In the end I told my parents... they thought it was funny yet disgraceful.... funny the way I found out the info...and disgraceful what it meant...

The thing is I think they're just going to sit on it... I wana see my vision come true ASAP!!

I dunno maybe I should try and make some money out of this somehow too... sell the story to the papers... blackmail the official... if u can't beat 'em, join 'em!!

DIB, loved your comment, its a classic DIB response...I wasn't around when watergate happened...

Kermit, of course i told my mom, its what girls next door do :)

Anon, 13, 45, 45 hmmm lemme c now...no im 34, 28, 34

Odd A;...i might take u up on ur offer ! but remember me not know u u not know me

Posted by Blogger Bahrania @ 4/19/2005 11:29:00 AM #
 

Do you mind if this info you got gets out in the US before it makes waves in Bahrain?

Say an average of 15,000 copies in circulation per week, overall (50,000 copies) would be and the newpaper will run the story in parts up to 3 weeks.

Area is Boston & surrounding areas & it's immediate publication including permission to print the story online across 50,000+ news sites.

No info on the source except the line "unknown Bahraini citizen".

If you're interested please send an email to areview.me@gmail.com with the subject reading as "ME-Bahrain-May05"

Posted by Blogger Angelo Embuldeniya (Strav) @ 4/19/2005 09:04:00 PM #
 

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Posted by Blogger Angelo Embuldeniya (Strav) @ 4/19/2005 09:09:00 PM #
 

BTW - please send an email ONLY if you are serious about the info getting out there - no appologies/etc. will be issued by the newspaper after the story's been printed - and you didn't want it coming out.

And I dont' work there either- just for the record.

Posted by Blogger Angelo Embuldeniya (Strav) @ 4/19/2005 09:10:00 PM #
 

Hey Strav,

Like I said before...I have this guilty little piece of conscience thats keeping me silent...

besides why would a US paper be interested in a Bahraini issue... and plus I DONT WANT A US PAPER to profit off what is a local issue...if ALWASAT wants to sell this and make a few pennies then by all means..

Posted by Blogger Bahrania @ 4/19/2005 11:59:00 PM #
 

I'm not quite sure what you mean by a US paper profiting off this story, but FYI, the newspaper is a non-profit one and is funded completely by student activists - it's more of a awareness one - more of getting the word out.

And if Al Wasat is gonna have this story printed out these folks would still like permission to re-print.


.... about your guilty lil piece, like i said before it's really yo call if you wanna' go public with this or not - no one's forcing you to but it would be helpful if you did, might even be a lesson to others who are u to their ears in dirty biz, etc.

good luck :)

Posted by Blogger Angelo Embuldeniya (Strav) @ 4/20/2005 06:08:00 AM #
 

Anon, 13, 45, 45 hmmm lemme c now...no im 34, 28, 34

DAMN! And the height?

(sorry, couldn't resist! ;))

Posted by Anonymous Mahmood Al-Yousif @ 4/20/2005 05:33:00 PM #
 

I had no idea what those numbers refered to until Mahmood mentioned height!

Did you know that waist to Hip ratio can be used to help determine obesity! The higher the ratio, the higher the risk of heart disease and other obesity-related disorders.

And no I am not trying to say you are fat! :)

Kermit (the next door frog?)

Posted by Anonymous Anonymous @ 4/20/2005 07:49:00 PM #
 

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Posted by Blogger Bahraini by nature @ 4/20/2005 07:51:00 PM #
 

"When I came across this information, I envisioned frontpage news headlines, feared potential heart attacks, family conflicts, u name it...."

In this case, our great Prophit would say:

"من ستر مسلمًا ستره الله يوم القيامة"


by the way, you can be blackmailed too ;) Consider this senario: Mr X speaks to the goverment offecials and says that he found out that someone has secret information and would reveal her identiy if they give him K dollars. Mr X then blackmails you for revealing your identity and asks for N dollars. Mr X does not know who you are and what information you have. He gets the money from both sides and flies away :)

Welcome to the doggy dog world.

Posted by Blogger Bahraini by nature @ 4/20/2005 07:53:00 PM #
 

too much algebra and permutations to think about without having lunch and a drink first... however, I am intrigued as to your statement attributed to the Prophet (pbuh) which applies only to Muslims... why? Are other creeds not worthy?

Posted by Anonymous Mahmood Al-Yousif @ 4/21/2005 01:17:00 PM #
 

As yet no one has fully addressed the ethical issue involved...

-"selling" you're story is obviously bad as it stains you're motives for the disclosure...a western phenomenon that is yet to reach ME shores...

-the idea that you shouldn't expose other people's bad deeds (the hadeeth that BBN touched on)... i say this would apply to average joe, but would public officials and their misdemeanours be included in this?

What we tend to find in Bahrain and elsewhere is that there is a lot of backroom gossip, and accusations thrown around that could be based on both fact or rumour, but which are NEVER bought to the forefront. No one ever has the guts to come face-to-face with the accused, as employees, citizens, journalists. I don't think this is just because of fear. There is also an element of cultural etiquette, that it is considers it rude to air suspicion in a direct manner. On the few occasions where this does happen, you can get deep rooted family conflicts, bad doctors carry on practising, corrupt officials get promoted, people not comfortable with taking detailed minutes of meetings, everything is always said off record, ... and so on and so forth...

--froggy..i think ur referring to the BMI..i'm a 18.4 :)

Posted by Blogger Bahrania @ 4/21/2005 02:33:00 PM #
 

Mahmood... of course they are worthy. But the prophet was addressing the muslim community in that particular hadeeth.

There is another hadeeth for the prophet (pbuh) asking non-muslims to do the same thing:

"يا معشر من آمن بلسانه ولم يدخل الإيمان في قلبه: لا تغتابوا المسلمين، ولا تتبعوا عوراتهم، فإن من يتبع عورة مسلم يتبع الله عورته، ومن يتبع الله عورته يفضحه الله ولو في جوف بيته"

عورة in the Arabic is any ugly behaviour.

You shouldn’t see that hadeeth as a warning but as a set of principles and rules for a community consisting of muslims and non-muslims.

bahrania.. Blackmailing is ugly job. You might remember the story of the cleaner who blackmailed a doctor when he saw him having an affair with his patient. At the end, the doctor sued the cleaner. This is a good listen for blackmailers.

>but would public officials and their misdemeanours be included in this?

There are some exceptions when you are supposed to reveal the secret in Islam in situation when hiding the secret will result on a serious harm. For example, when you know that the motive of that government official is to harm some people. Otherwise, I think you should keep the secret for yourself because revealing it could cause more damages than hiding it.

Posted by Blogger Bahraini by nature @ 4/21/2005 03:42:00 PM #
 

Bahrania..

I just looked up BMI Categories.

Underweight = <18.5

Maybe its time to put some food and sweets in your handbag! :)

Froggy (the frog?)

Posted by Anonymous Anonymous @ 4/21/2005 07:58:00 PM #
 

As to the subject of this post, listen to your inner voice and damn all else. If you feel that with you exposing this person it would do the country and community good, then go ahead and do it, if on the other hand it is just for personal gratification, then there are better ways to get off.

Listen to your heart.

If not, just shut it and move on with your life.

Posted by Anonymous Mahmood Al-Yousif @ 4/21/2005 10:11:00 PM #
 

and remember, there is no one without skeletons in various closets...

Posted by Anonymous Mahmood Al-Yousif @ 4/21/2005 10:12:00 PM #
 


"يا معشر من آمن بلسانه ولم يدخل الإيمان في قلبه: لا تغتابوا المسلمين،
yeah but he's STILL warning non-muslims against vilifying Muslims, rather than preaching tollerance of others and their chosen faiths...

what gives?

Posted by Anonymous Mahmood Al-Yousif @ 4/21/2005 10:15:00 PM #
 
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